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Posted By: Luis on: 08/22/2006 11:43:05 ET
Subject: RE: Definition of Planet?

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My opinion with minor bodies (most asteroids and new objects) is that we still know little about how they work. Even major asteroids known for long, such as Ceres, have recieved little attention when compared to to Uranus and Neptune, so there's some uncertainty, specially when we're talkinga about brand new objects like Xena or Sedna.

I tend to consider all planets as gender-neutral, with the exception of Mars and Venus. I am not of the belief that the Sun represents the father and all that and I have found hard to find any relation with that Jungian school and astrological reality. Evne mythologically many traditions (Japanese, Basque) hold the Sun as female. Japanese consider the Moon to be male, while in Basque myths both stars are the daughters of Mother Earth, hence female. Much of the male/female roles that we give to planets have more to do with our own social and psychological Patriarchal reality, where most creative and socially outstanding roles have been mostly restricted to males till recently. So when we think of authority (be it Saturn or Jupiter) we think in male figures but they can be female as well. Still all this is just my opinion.

In the same sense, I'm not really suret that major asteroids like Ceres are specifically "female" forces but rather gender-neutral. Juno for instance may mean one's "love", be this one he or she, and the "love" is not necessarily a person but rather a focus. Ceres does have that cretive-nurturing quality that may make it somehow more "she" but the rationalism of Pallas is as neutral to me as can be the smartness of Mercury or the discipline of Saturn.

I'm also skeptic of the forces represented by the outer planets being non-existent before their discovery. They were there and were influencing people and society, another thing is that we have become more aware of their influence after their discovery, and this applies also to people who don't believe in astrology, of course.

A good example can be the Galactic Center, a force that only now is being pondered. Still, due to it's extremely slow movement (mostly caused by precession) it can easily be seen how it influenced the major periods of humankind, at least after the end of the Ice Age, through its transists through the signs from Cancer to Saggitarius. When it was in Scorpio it almost exactly defined the violent and transforming Bronze and Iron ages, just to mention one of them.

Uranus represents, in my opinion society and dialectics, apart of its association with technology. It's sort of the cosmic parliament, hence the opposition Aqua-Leo, the latter ruled by the Sun that represents both personal creativity and, socially, leadership or even monarchy. Didn't Uranian influnces exist before 1781? Of course, but they were not as evident or intense as after its discovery.

My two cents. Enjoy.

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